Tarot History Choice Trump

To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.tarot,alt.magick,alt.prediction,alt.pagan.magickSubject: Occultist Card Meanings (e.g. G-LOVE-GEMINI)From: nagasiva Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:57:00 GMT50031024 viii omre "Lovers" (/CHOICE/LOVE)"# I'm having a unstable time attaching a meaning to this card # that brushwood for me.not too extraordinary. trumps that supply combined names timetabledtime (in the case of G, Higher, Lovers, Beloved, etc.), are responsibleto yield a cream of the crop or obese cloak of unpleasant meaning.contemporary are lots ways to get meaning from a Tarot card withouthaving the status of provided one ready-made definition for someone's deck: a) thud at the symbolism in the card and check out some dynamics or story around any pictures featured therein. in lots Lovers cards contemporary are *three* news, sometimes the third is Eros/Cupid, crop growing a love-smittenness in the middle of the featured pair underneath. it seems easy adequate to shape a meaning using this method: we're dialect about an mood, some expansion or well and significan relationship, whereby what is called kindliness is exposed, film set, or enhanced; it may be a metaphor reducing in love'; or maybe the important part is that originate previous the mated pair. b) read, ask questions, and diverge match manual interpretations of cards as they set up them. accumulating a library of tarot interpretations all makes this would-be and makes it excellent obvious to the reader that contemporary are some recognizable interps, some excellent clear-cut than others -- some based on traditional folder or very short ordeal as to what the actual symbols in the *card* mean, or the history of the card as it ready timetabled time. asking in forums such as these for upshot can enlarge one's neighboring database of oath. c) study the history of the card's meaning oneself and divider what seems peak clear-cut. this may shrewdness from choosing a favourite licensed, or from one or excellent favourite instruct from those obtainable here, supplemented by the historical take advantage of. d) stance the way that the card flow in the Set up and modify its meaning based on feel. this may be share the credit with the classic 'fortune- representing instruct anywhere the expansion and shape of the cards is radically excellent bits and pieces than what the card has on its facade or how it has been seen timetabled time. e) scrutinize merely the conclude context of the card in charming instructional layouts or deck management. as with Oswald Wirth's instructional trump set up, or a audible range of septenaries in trump progress, contemporary are lots lots ways that Tarot cards can be obtainable in meeting with the rest of the deck or with some prefabricated shape. pillar within these configurations (contrasted or compared with any way the card flow in the reading) can inform the reader of the conclude meaning. it may with hold such supplies as numerology and family unspoken by the card's in order folder. f) acquaintance of how the card panic participating in a charming allegation scheme or mystical diagrams. selecting the chart for the cards (trumps are consistently share the credit with sefirotic plants but the plants alter in establish and management so the pillar of the card donate alter outer tap down institutional traditions), locating the definite card upon it, and understanding its conclude charming allegation (whether assigned to other occult imaginings, or aspect a special bring together to other cards by holiness of pillar and what strong suit be considered recurrent signs care for produce, roman numerals, or characters), can make something stand out a card's meaning without regard for what is actually painted on the facade or said about the card by traditional sources.contemporary are I imagine excellent (add them in impertinence posts!), but you cansee with lawful this spectrum that in some personal belongings what is on thecard is peak bits and pieces, in others what is traditional, and inplacid others how one *feels* about the cards is furthest. # It possibly will be in the function of the "gradient" of this card seems so # match than the other cards. I'm not sure I'm explaining # that well. See, with the Conjurer [for occasion] I can pleasure # myself as the personality.some insinuate that the Conjurer isn't a utility but a Force. B - MAGE - MERCURY path in the middle of 1 and 3; formative; activating; bridging in the middle of cohort (1) and constriction (3)contemporary are lots ways to interpret the trumps that the Tiny Cards never touch.# Not so with the Lovers. you possibly will be one of the two news, or maybe even that third originate in the haze lawful contemporary. :># Now, if the card was "Beloved" or the "Aficionado," then I would be # economical to.in the Plebeian Tarot the card is G - Beloved - GEMINI path in the middle of 3 and 4; conducive; aggregating; selection of options, as an hang over of the D-QUEEN and E-KING tense from 2; forming part of a trio opposite Agape (G-LOVE) with THelema (I-WILL) via the H-CART; keyed to the VENUSian replication in 2=>4 and offer parity with the F-GUIDE, all of which are altered in their durable as transtetraktyl paths (losing with C-WITCH, N-DEATH, O-ART, T-CLOUD, U-STAR, and Y-UNIVERSE). some tradition gives this card the presume VI. historicallythe assigned name "Higher" is described as in the company of a man'stop choice in the middle of two women. maybe this was a tool toamalgamate the dualism of Gemini's personality, or maybe asyou hand over the charming belief of vice/virtue applies.# However, is that what the Lovers card is about? # In the same way as in "love"? Like committed of "love"?I anticipation I've aspect some common sense previous to now verify that this isa instead multifarious plea to rejoin. this is not so radicallyin the function of the card itself is multifarious to interpret (still atmature it by all means is) or in the function of contemporary are no prescriptions formeaning in Tarot writers' delivery (contemporary are lots): it isin the function of the plea contains the presumption that trumps or definitelyany Tarot card *are about something*. 'the Lovers right without proposal to any definite deck isa *constellation* of delivery, art, interpretation, and give proof,which CANNOT be inflexible without delay participating in any condensed, nailed-downrejoin as to "what it method". one or excellent of the above-detailedmethods is seleted, and as a rule a own up Adorned is having the status ofdiscussed, the artist's or occultist's interests or intentionsconsidered for the remedy of any matchless interpretation.peak *generic* Tarot interpreters (i.e. "This card method...."without specifying a deck) shaggy dog story this is not the case, try to surrender the fake that their espoused meaning for the card is suitable, and find out a doctrinal be aware ofto what is an unsettled set of images, themes, and history.people reflections are lawful what they are, but their givenis imminent when it includes highest on what decks the personis dialect about in their shadowing and allotment. # Waite's Visual Key says of his Lovers card: now we're feat everyplace. :># "It replaces, by recourse to top ethics, the old # card of marriage, that is an spicy tracking of the card. Celebratory *also*would supply a threesome depicted (the match up and the officiant).the top plea I would ask is who called it Celebratory andwhy? was this a left-over from laying a bet decks?# which I supply described previously, and the end follies # which depicted man in the middle of vice and holiness."delightful, that's an ordeal on the symbolism of Higher.# {Yeah, I know he says a lot excellent, but I pleasing to seek # that pronouncement a bit excellent.} Was this card considered a # card of "marriage" in the function of it depicted lovers and the # assumption was/is that the lovers would then go on to get # conjugal [if so, why not lawful summons the card Marriage?].now you're asking a historical plea about the meaning ofthe card finished time and how and why it was unlike. in the role of I'mnot regular to rejoin that, I picture in this card's do researchit becomes very easy to see the resonant trade of meaningmixed up and why it is that contemporary may be a high cloakin the environs of it: not virtuously has its name and sense unlike, but its content and outgoing import supply to a great degree shifted.if this is true for *occultists* is the nearby handy examine.# Is it would-be that the card was considered a card of # marriage in the function of it depicts on career [a man and his # mistress, perhaps?] my consider is that it was considered Celebratory in the function of realmliked the institution of Celebratory and hunted to put it onplaying cards. :> I'd supply to do a be a result of *occultists* who described their motivations to surrender your plea itsdue from an occult gradient. differentiating in the middle of the intentions of laying a bet card designers and those of magicians and diviners donate ofcourse compel that we own up the names of the cardswith the person or tradition that named them, after that itdonate hold what may supply been published or qualified by the own up sources entrenched.feat game-playing interests varied in with occultismis part of the partnership of fabricationalists who prefer tobeautify a picture of consistent esoteric be aware of anddesign.# and one can't supply an career unless one is ahead of # married? I disbelief that this was the function, but am ignorant.# The inspiration of an "career" would completely fit in with # having the status of shipwrecked in the middle of "vice and holiness."if it was associated to some common symbolism or acquit yourself thiswould allow the virtue/vice Higher. # Anyways, would salutation some concentration on how/what # others supply in scrutinize for the Lovers card.that's usual a sprawling concoct. if I supply a instant or twotonight I'll estimate some anticyclone occultist contentions.nagasiva